Crb/police Checks Advice Please

Nigel Hayward

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I'm getting more and more commercial work and have to supply a crb check I have the basic one but I can't seem to apply for the advanced one as I'm self employed.Has anyone else had this problem.If so how have they over come it
 
I used to be in the close protection industry and so I had to be vetted all the time and crb checked, I was only ever aware that there was only 1 crb check, and I was working with royalty etc
 
No mate if you self employed there is a basic one but there is also an advanced one that I cant seem to apply for.A school I have recently started cleaning the carpets and upholstery at have asked me to apply the advanced one.
 
No personal experience but my sister has had some problems in this area.

She had her own business involved with child protection. She had an advanced certificate (to satisfy the courts I believe as she was an expert witness in this field).

She was in a very fortunate and privileged position that enabled her to close down her business for 18 months so she's now spending 18 months in Rwanda doing charity work through the VSO. The strange thing was that VSO would not accept her advanced certificate and insisted that she provided the standard:dunno:

So this, for me, suggests that there are at least two different categories of CRB.

Safe and happy checking:goodday:
Ken
 
Nigel, it's now called DBS -disclosure and baring service, the employer needs to apply for the DBS check and they will ask you to pay and cost vary but bet on around £60.00. Once completed you will get the result and you can show this to the organisation you will be working with but you keep the certificate so you can show other organisations you may work with, but be aware that you may have to have a new one for each organisation you work for.
More info here https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/disclosure-and-barring-service
 
Steve

I've cleaned schools within the St Ratford district and no CRB was required. Likewise with my Birmingham schools.

I believe that the govern mint have said that common sense should prevail so, no children in the school..... no CRB

Safe and happy cleaning:)
Ken
 
It's called enhanced DBS check rather than advanced. I worked as a care manager for 5 years and have enough of the things to paper a wall!
 
A drb may be paid for by the employer however it is the property of the employee. It is best to do it yourself. If you leave employment now it transfers where the old crb did not. As a board member on my local hospital this is why we have just started getting staff to pay for their own where possible as they take it when they leave.
I am cleaning the carpet in our charity shop tomorrow for free of course, it made us 40K last year and I am looking into a new wheelchair mini bus at the moment to spend some of it.
 
Andrew the employee can't ask for a DBS check on themselves it has to be done by the employer but the certificate is posted to the employee and then that is shown to the employer...See below for more information (taken from the .gov website)

1. Overview



The Criminal Records Bureau (CRB) and the Independent Safeguarding Authority (ISA) have merged to become the Disclosure and Barring Service (DBS). CRB checks are now called DBS checks.

A DBS check may be needed for:

  • certain jobs or voluntary work, eg working with children or in healthcare
  • applying to foster or adopt a child
There are different rules for getting a criminal record check in Scotland and Northern Ireland.

Who can ask for a DBS check
An employer can ask for a DBS check for certain roles.

DBS eligibility guidance lists most roles that are eligible for a check. However, the guidance isn’t comprehensive so contact DBS if unsure.

Applicants (job candidates) can’t do a criminal records check on themselves. Instead, they can request a ‘basic disclosure’ from Disclosure Scotland (you don’t have to be from Scotland to do this).

How to get a DBS check
  1. The employer gets an application form from DBS or an umbrella body (a registered body that gives access to DBS checks).

  2. The employer gives the applicant the form to fill in and return to them along with documents proving their identity.

  3. The employer sends the completed application form to DBS or their umbrella body.

  4. DBS sends a certificate to the applicant. The employer has to ask the applicant to see the certificate.
If the applicant has subscribed to the DBS update service, the employer can check their certificate online.

How long a DBS check is valid
A DBS check has no official expiry date. Any information included will be accurate at the time the check was carried out. It is up to an employer to decide if and when a new check is needed.

Applicants and employers can use the DBS update service to keep a certificate up to date or carry out checks on a potential employee’s certificate.

Types of criminal records check
There are 3 types of check. The employer or organisation running the check should provide the applicant with more information about the level of check required.

Criminal record check applicants must be 16 or over.

Standard (£26)
This checks for spent and unspent convictions, cautions, reprimands and final warnings, and will take about 2 weeks.

Enhanced (£44)
This includes the same as the standard check plus any additional information held by local police that’s reasonably considered relevant to the workforcebeing applied for (adult, child or ‘other’ workforce). It usually takes about 4 weeks.

‘Other’ workforce means those who don’t work with children or adults specifically, but potentially both, eg taxi drivers. In this case, the police will only release information that’s relevant to the post being applied for.

Enhanced with list checks (£44)
This is like the enhanced check, but includes a check of the DBS barred lists. It usually takes about 4 weeks.

An employer can only ask for a barred list check for specific roles. It’s a criminal offence to ask for a check for any other roles.

Volunteers
Checks for eligible volunteers are free of charge. This includes anyone who spends time helping people and is:

  • not being paid (apart from for travel and other approved out of pocket expenses)
  • not only looking after a close relative
An employer can only apply for a check if the job or role is eligible for one. They must tell the applicant why they’re being checked and where they can get independent advice.
 
The bottom 2 lines of Carl's answer are the most important.
We work in a lot of schools and care facilities but only 1 school insists we have checks and they have to bull full disclosure.
 
Thanks Carl,

The information given in this thread is worthy of inclusion in a second forum, so I will move it to Health and Safety Issues but leave a permanent link in Marketing and Business Matters.
 
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