Fancying a face off, Trev? Cold v's hot....Colin, ......... looks like there's only one person round here who has put their money where their mouth is !!!
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trevor toms
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Referree - Unfair!! Fancy treating a Newbie like that! Pick on someone your own size......... Mind you, it would be a laff'. Rugs at dawn then, camcorder at the ready................ Anywayz, who said 'Cold'? - Hand hot vs. too hot. 
trevor toms
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I never thought that CCing would be an adversarial occupation!
Too hot? The Zeta has variable heat settings and obviously I don't steam clean delicate fibres, just those trashed houses and restaurants.Referree - Unfair!! Fancy treating a Newbie like that! Pick on someone your own size......... Mind you, it would be a laff'. Rugs at dawn then, camcorder at the ready................ Anywayz, who said 'Cold'? - Hand hot vs. too hot.
It certainly comes in handy in greasy restaurants... You're more than welcome to have a go Trevor...
Russ Chadd
Cleantalk Member
Well... its horses for courses isnt it... ever heard of a TM owner removing their heat exchanger because hot water is no more effective than cold??? of course not! if you have the heat you will use it!Too hot? The Zeta has variable heat settings and obviously I don't steam clean delicate fibres, just those trashed houses and restaurants.
It certainly comes in handy in greasy restaurants... You're more than welcome to have a go Trevor...
When was the last time you washed your dishes with cold water?
Not every job requires hot hot water but its nice to have it... and as Colin pointed out... the zeta has variable heat 0 - 90*C.
Many people will claim that using hot water to extract can decrease the drying time.
Steve Porter
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I'm always up for an educational lesson Colin, I'm sure that we'll (Chris & I) will help.......educate you
This is day 2 of school cleaning. Classrooms are a mix of needle punch low profiles, corded & bitumen backed. All full of soil & heavy staining.
All the normal: vac, hot boosted HD & or Fusion 8, good rotary agitation & cold fresh water rinse finished with a quick bonnet.
Touch dry in 25 minutes (aprox 16 gal per 28m2)
They looked fantastic!
Just to check I decided to put some boiling water into a pump up sprayer, jetted it close, agitated & dry extracted, guess what?..................no differance.
Sometimes it's not what you've got but how you use it that seperates the men from the boys
This is day 2 of school cleaning. Classrooms are a mix of needle punch low profiles, corded & bitumen backed. All full of soil & heavy staining.
All the normal: vac, hot boosted HD & or Fusion 8, good rotary agitation & cold fresh water rinse finished with a quick bonnet.
Touch dry in 25 minutes (aprox 16 gal per 28m2)
They looked fantastic!
Just to check I decided to put some boiling water into a pump up sprayer, jetted it close, agitated & dry extracted, guess what?..................no differance.
Sometimes it's not what you've got but how you use it that seperates the men from the boys
Come and have a go with the Zeta, mate... And make sure you bring some choccy biscuits this time.. Or even better, a bottle of MaltI'm always up for an educational lesson Colin, I'm sure that we'll (Chris & I) will help.......educate you
This is day 2 of school cleaning. Classrooms are a mix of needle punch low profiles, corded & bitumen backed. All full of soil & heavy staining.
All the normal: vac, hot boosted HD & or Fusion 8, good rotary agitation & cold fresh water rinse finished with a quick bonnet.
Touch dry in 25 minutes (aprox 16 gal per 28m2)
They looked fantastic!
Just to check I decided to put some boiling water into a pump up sprayer, jetted it close, agitated & dry extracted, guess what?..................no differance.
Sometimes it's not what you've got but how you use it that seperates the men from the boys
trevor toms
Cleantalk Member
Colin and Russ,
Thanks for the offer, Col, of having a go, and I will take you up on it one day. However, since you've got all the local Indian restaurants sewn up, where would I go for some blacktop!. But seriously guys, I really don't have a problem with heat, have as much as you want. The TMer has it by default so they remove themselves from the equation. The question is, why should I spend 1200 quid making hot tap water, hotter? In my (very) limited experience I have not (yet) had one unhappy customer and now two letting agents are v.pleased with my work things are on the up.
Will me spending 1200 quid make them happier? There may well be a problem carpet that needs it for a 100% clean but how often do they come around and would the customer notice if it was 95% clean?
The worst minger I've encountered was last week where a tenant had walked old, black engine oil into a quality wool carpet. Jeez! However, Hot SPM and ecoPOG got 90% of it out. The landlady was so happy that I'll be going again to do the H/S/L and I said I would try another chem (shockwave) on the 'shadow' for free. Well pardon me but my sh1t don't stink now!
btw apart from delicate fabrics, how often, Russ, do you adjust the temp. Probably like the pressure regulator on my Scorp - 1) somewhere in the middle, good enough for everything apart from 2) flotex.
happy days,
trev
Thanks for the offer, Col, of having a go, and I will take you up on it one day. However, since you've got all the local Indian restaurants sewn up, where would I go for some blacktop!
. But seriously guys, I really don't have a problem with heat, have as much as you want. The TMer has it by default so they remove themselves from the equation. The question is, why should I spend 1200 quid making hot tap water, hotter? In my (very) limited experience I have not (yet) had one unhappy customer and now two letting agents are v.pleased with my work things are on the up. Will me spending 1200 quid make them happier? There may well be a problem carpet that needs it for a 100% clean but how often do they come around and would the customer notice if it was 95% clean?The worst minger I've encountered was last week where a tenant had walked old, black engine oil into a quality wool carpet. Jeez! However, Hot SPM and ecoPOG got 90% of it out. The landlady was so happy that I'll be going again to do the H/S/L and I said I would try another chem (shockwave) on the 'shadow' for free. Well pardon me but my sh1t don't stink now!
btw apart from delicate fabrics, how often, Russ, do you adjust the temp. Probably like the pressure regulator on my Scorp - 1) somewhere in the middle, good enough for everything apart from 2) flotex.
happy days,
trev
Steve Porter
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Col
Yes, ideally you should adjust your flow/ temp according to what's in front of you. I forgot last week & having just cleaned a thick saxony at 350psi I then cleaned a very thin gel back! Had to go over it again just with the vacs on to remove the excess!!!
Can I bring those really thick Boasters biscuits?
Happy days are here again!!!
Yes, ideally you should adjust your flow/ temp according to what's in front of you. I forgot last week & having just cleaned a thick saxony at 350psi I then cleaned a very thin gel back! Had to go over it again just with the vacs on to remove the excess!!!
Can I bring those really thick Boasters biscuits?
Happy days are here again!!!
Oh yes, Boasters are a proper snobs biscuit... You southerners are posh with your fancy biscuits, aren't you? Ooop North, we made do with Tesco Value Custard Creams....
Russ Chadd
Cleantalk Member
You mean down South West....? lolOh yes, Boasters are a proper snobs biscuit... You southerners are posh with your fancy biscuits, aren't you? Ooop North, we made do with Tesco Value Custard Creams....
Steve Porter
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Colin
Boasters are for special occasions only down here, we usually have to make do with an imported truffle or 3 to have with our coffee!!
With your Hngarian mistress have you noticed a 1/ better clean? 2/ faster clean? 3/ dryer clean? 4/ prolonged dampness? 5/more surface clean? 6/ or something differant?
I'd have thought at least you'd be using less solution as the higher temps should cut through quicker but would also assume that you have to be more careful on how hot on any given carpet so as not to visibly damage it?
We all know that heat cleans & we also know that heat can damage.
I'll give you a tinkle when I'm coming down, be nice to try it (might bring my own mucky carpet section though!!).
Boasters are for special occasions only down here, we usually have to make do with an imported truffle or 3 to have with our coffee!!
With your Hngarian mistress have you noticed a 1/ better clean? 2/ faster clean? 3/ dryer clean? 4/ prolonged dampness? 5/more surface clean? 6/ or something differant?
I'd have thought at least you'd be using less solution as the higher temps should cut through quicker but would also assume that you have to be more careful on how hot on any given carpet so as not to visibly damage it?
We all know that heat cleans & we also know that heat can damage.
I'll give you a tinkle when I'm coming down, be nice to try it (might bring my own mucky carpet section though!!).
Russ Chadd
Cleantalk Member
Would you consider setting your washing machine to a temperature over 60? you would never wash a woolly jumper on a hot wash so i wonder how the TM people control their temperature when it comes to a wool carpet?Where does that leave the TMers then? They are looking at a minimum of 90* with their machines
At least with the zeta you can switch the temp right down to 30 if needed which is nice and warm but not hot.
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Russ, with respect, that's a totally different subject, or do you put your carpets through the washing machine??
Re: biscuits. You big girls, boasters?? Get yourself a proper biscuit, Milk Choc HOBNOBS!!
Thought I'd learned my lesson on the hot v cold debate and do not, generally, comment on the subject anymore.......but. Just reading the thread shows there are good, sorry, great carpet cleaners out there who get fantastic results with hot or cold rinses. So, what does it matter? We all do it "our way" or, in my case, " I DID IT MYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY WAY". I feel a song coming on.
Russ, with respect, that's a totally different subject, or do you put your carpets through the washing machine??
Re: biscuits. You big girls, boasters?? Get yourself a proper biscuit, Milk Choc HOBNOBS!!
Thought I'd learned my lesson on the hot v cold debate and do not, generally, comment on the subject anymore.......but. Just reading the thread shows there are good, sorry, great carpet cleaners out there who get fantastic results with hot or cold rinses. So, what does it matter? We all do it "our way" or, in my case, " I DID IT MYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY WAY". I feel a song coming on.
Can't say fairer than that.... Case closed....? 
Warren Aldridge
Cleantalk Member
Gosh!
Heat is an add on. If you got it, use it. Its a bonus, a perk not usually afforded to portable operators.
Call it Porty+
One day in the future when Nick and John develop a nuclear powered portable with inclusive high heat at a good price you wont hear any of this nonsense.
Heat is an add on. If you got it, use it. Its a bonus, a perk not usually afforded to portable operators.
Call it Porty+
One day in the future when Nick and John develop a nuclear powered portable with inclusive high heat at a good price you wont hear any of this nonsense.
Mark Roberts
Solution World of Clean
The spray from your wand hits the carpet for a second at most, cleaning dishes or clothes requires them to be submerged in water and the heat for a lot lot longer, that's the difference, heat requires sustained time to work, which it doesn't get much of with carpet carpet cleaning.
If you want a fairer test spray a really dirty dried in grease ridden dish or jumper with your carpet wand with steaming hot water and then cold water for just one second, the difference is slight at best.
It's fair to say though heat brings a difference, its not huge like people seem to think, were kinda conditioned to think it makes a big difference from a a young age, and from people selling tm's and chemicals that need heat to activate
.Drying times are also improved but again you cant compare a dish with a flat surface to a carpet, both will dry differently with hot and cold. the dish will always dry more efficiently as flat surfaces have more access to air than water under threads of a carpet.
The debate will always rage on