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Steve Porter

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Tony
I reckon that Sir Dave theorises an awful lot & probably uses the 3 B's when science & fact runs out?
Let's be honest, none of us were around to see the last ice-age so maybe this 3 or 4 million year old cycle is slightly differant from the last?
Mind you I wouldn't mind being around if we ever had an electronics age. You know the one, it's where everything that uses electronics in any shape of form just dies, just imagine.................
 
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Jim Neal

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Anthony Nash said:
There's far too much money to be STILL made by our governments to be admitting they know this stuff and could do more to avoid global warming.
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Not so much governments directly, although they will be profiting through taxation...... the oil giants are the ones rubbing their hands together as the ice melts :wink:

The Arctic is probably the last potentially lucrative area of oil reserves yet to be exploited to any significant degree. It has been calculated that the ice covering over the Arctic sea will soon be almost non-existent for a certain number of months per year... opening the door for the oil companies to carry out their surveys and locate the supposedly large oil reserves hiding down there.

Don't worry, the environment is still a long way down the list below financial gain.
 
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My view on global warming is based more on HISTORICAL facts rather than current, often conflicting research.
The last ice age started about 100,000 years ago. Fact.

At some time during this period, it got warmer and the ice began to melt. Fact.

The last ice age finished about 10,000 years ago. Fact.

Since this time, temperatures have continued to rise slowly. Fact.

I feel that the beginning of the industrial revolution in the 18th century is a good landmark to indicate when man's activity began to influence climate.

As history indicates that our planet is going through a phase of gradually increasing temperatures which leads to the melting of the polar caps, I can only conclude that man's activity is merely an accelerant to global warming and not the cause.

No matter what we do, the best we can hope to achieve is a small delay in the inevitable.

All this carbon, oil, gas or whatever used to be present above the earth's crust in eons gone by. The tree's, dinosaurs, plants etc. etc. died and there rotting carcases etc. eventually became fossil fuels. In time, these subteranean fossil fuels will eventually all find their way back up above the earths surface, whether extracted by man or by mother nature herself (eg via volcanic activity etc.)

Once all this carbon has worked it's way back up into the environment, the planet will again become uninhabitable, and the whole cycle will start again.

And if you don't believe me about the origins of the last ice age, ask JB. He remembers it well. Even "Whipersnapper Ives" can remember the end of the ice age. He organised a street party to celebrate along with his friend Sir Algenon Topper Batham.

The earliest I can remember is the time they introduced the flying shuttle for weaving cloth!

Safe and happy GreenPeacing :smile:
Ken1
 
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Tony Nash

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Trevor Ives said:
a- I live on the top of a hill.
b- There were always malarial mossys in the south from Roman times til the mid 1800s
c- This will go on while the "scientists" in saying that we are responsible are paid a fortune in grants for saying....
d- In the fourth to tenth centuries they were growing grapes in Northumberland, in the 1500s to 1650s half the population died from malnutrition from bad harvests and bitter winters if the Black Death had not got them first.
In the 1700s the climate was very mild with fantastic harvests.
In the mid 1800s the Thames froze over for weeks at a time so they could hold 'Frost Fairs.'

Good old Barney.:lol:
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A - I live on top of a hill too Captain B, but a lot of my custys don't.
B - Didn't know that about the Mossy's, but there possible coming back NOW.
C - The scientists I was referring too, were saying that we are NOT responsible.
D - Might buy a 4x4 to get me across our frozen valley to custys then - or an Ark.

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Tony Nash

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Steve Porter said:
Tony
I reckon that Sir Dave theorises an awful lot & probably uses the 3 B's when science & fact runs out?
Let's be honest, none of us were around to see the last ice-age so maybe this 3 or 4 million year old cycle is slightly differant from the last?
Mind you I wouldn't mind being around if we ever had an electronics age. You know the one, it's where everything that uses electronics in any shape of form just dies, just imagine.................
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Maybe Steve, who really know what's what. Sir Dave did stress that he believed this, then changed to believing that....
 
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Tony Nash

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Jim Neal said:
Not so much governments directly, although they will be profiting through taxation...... the oil giants are the ones rubbing their hands together as the ice melts :wink:

The Arctic is probably the last potentially lucrative area of oil reserves yet to be exploited to any significant degree. It has been calculated that the ice covering over the Arctic sea will soon be almost non-existent for a certain number of months per year... opening the door for the oil companies to carry out their surveys and locate the supposedly large oil reserves hiding down there.

Don't worry, the environment is still a long way down the list below financial gain.
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I know what you mean Jim, re the above bold bit, but Governments can do plenty when it suits them - start wars even.....:pop:
 
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Jim Neal

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Why do you think Syria isn't full of American tanks at the moment?

They contribute only 0.5% of the world's oil production and it's believe their productivity has already peaked.

Coincidence? I think not..... Kuwait minus its oil was a an equally insignificant country and we fought two wars with Iraq on the pretence that we were doing the right thing by them!
 
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Tony Nash

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Case in point really.

Have you heard the one that the yanks triggered off the earthquake, which started the Tsunami, which caused the Fukishima nuclear reactor to go into melt down?

.....if you point a certain energy beam, from space, it can apparently do such a thing.

Let's not forget the CIA, MI5, blah blah blah.....if they want somebody removed, it's done. All to steer a course.....to get our reaction & support, to go to war.

I also read that the powers that be ( in America ) wanted something like 9/11 to happen, to rally the peoples support towards the Gulf war & for Afghanistan.

So, if Nick & JB can find a way to get M Power to replace oil, the world will be a better place......just trying to come full circle here...:lol:
 
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trevor toms

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Kuwait minus its oil was a an equally insignificant country and we fought two wars with Iraq on the pretence that we were doing the right thing by them!
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We fought two wars with Iraq for Iraq's oil (every other country in Middle East has passed the peak oil point!)and to stabilize Saudi Arabia.

I also read that the powers that be ( in America ) wanted something like 9/11 to happen, to rally the peoples support towards the Gulf war & for Afghanistan.
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Afghanistan has only modest reserves of gas and oil but it is the easiest route for oil to come out (via pipeline) of central Asia. Other than going through Iran of course, which isn't the Yanks' favourite option at the mo'.
 
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trevor toms

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Back to the topic, sort of...
I've teamed up (in a marketing sense) with a handyman/ gardener/odd-jobs/removals etc chap. Nice bloke and used to be a CC tech in Brum. - "Trev, can you do the carpets in my flat? My parents are visiting. They only need a quick bonnet to freshen 'em up."

OK thought I, mates rates since he's pushing out my cards.

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MP, a sound thrashing with crb and a floormac bonnet after. (Access was hideous for hwe)

Shame the sun put too much contrast in the pic but his Mrs was delighted.

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Ken Wainwright

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Mark Roberts said:
Hi Ken

Can you provide the facts that the ice age was 100000 years ago.

Thanks
Mark
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Seems Mark, that my schooldays memory failed me this time (again). My 100,000 years was incorrect. I was 10k out:down: I was right though about it finishing 10,000 years ago:smile: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_glacial_period

Makes we want to go and light a log burner and toast some bread on a long fork:wink:

Safe and happy cleaning :smile:
Ken1
 
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Tony Nash

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That last ice age, 10,000 years ago or so, isn't that supposed to be when the peoples of what would eventually be named Europe, started looking further afield, and ventured across the ice, bits of land maybe ( sea level was lower ) and onto what was to be named The British Isles?

Hey, respect to the Welsh, the peoples of that country were the earliest ancestors of the UK....no, I'm not Welsh.
 
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